I'm a little surprised we haven't seen an older/younger pairing yet. I'm really not into really older (50+) women, just women a little older than the other girl in the scene.
Somebody like Michelle Lay could be excellent in any older/younger pairing.
...just women a little older than the other girl in the scene...
Sorry, but what's the point in that? Then pretty much every scene could be labelled older/younger. If you don't wanna sea "real" age difference then you should be happy with scenes like April/Avy, there's a woman who's a little older than the other girl.
@dmperl: Francesca Le, Dyanna Lauren, Janet Mason, Raylene, Raven Black (really???) and Sienna West all have fake boobs. All but one are great kissers...
There is still the Darryl/Brynn scene, and the Bobbi/Lily scene also has a slight age difference, but I dont care for mature unless it's India, Darryl, and Rayveness, also I think Brenda James and Michelle Lay are great. I might be missing a few but those are the ones that come to mind at the moment.
I've just started viewing the question/answer segments on each of the more recent pairings and one of the questions is "would you rather have a girl/girl experience with an older, more experienced woman or a younger, teen type?" And just about every girl responds enthusiatically to an older woman. Check out Bobbi's enthusiasm! Why not just have a few scenes giving the girls what they'd love to do? I believe a few even name a couple of older woman they'd like to see.
I'm a big supporter of the older/younger mix. Doesn't have to be all the time of course, but as a change of pace it would be fantastic! I wonder what the real chances might be from KMG? Anyone from KMG care to comment?
For the most part, I'm not sure older/younger is a great fit for us. Personally, I only like older/younger if the older girl is still young enough to be pretty much super hot. An older girl to me is a hot girl in her early to mid 30's. I think most older/younger fans want girls older than mid 30's. I just want the age difference to be noticable, maybe a Samantha Ryan with a young 18 year old. So I guess I would rather have the young girl look young rather than have the older girl look old. As always, we'll keep this in mind and do it if the right fit pops up.
You're right, KMG. I know I--and I assume others who are speaking up for older/younger pairings--are thinking "older" is "plus 40" in age. There are some real beauties who are over 40 who were young porn stars in the day. Both GFF and SV are casting these women. Most are very nice kissers, a few not great at it, some outstanding. Someone told me (I'll not mention her name here) in a first-hand position to know that she had to really work with Nina Hartley to get her to understand how to really focus on the deep kissing. It didn't seem to be emphasized in the older porn reels. But she really picked up on it in time. Older/younger is definitely not later 20's/early 20's. There's no real difference there. A suggestion....try it once. Get the best older and the best younger (Bobbi and Dyanna Lauen or Dia Zerva or Ginger Lynn) and let them have at it. Just a hopeful encouragement on my part here.
For the most part, I'm not sure older/younger is a great fit for us. Personally, I only like older/younger if the older girl is still young enough to be pretty much super hot. An older girl to me is a hot girl in her early to mid 30's. I think most older/younger fans want girls older than mid 30's. I just want the age difference to be noticable, maybe a Samantha Ryan with a young 18 year old. So I guess I would rather have the young girl look young rather than have the older girl look old. As always, we'll keep this in mind and do it if the right fit pops up.
what's your stance on late 30s Darryl Hannah has made several appearances on this site
I think that milfs in their 40's look so hot kissing a woman who looks 18 to young 20's. The older woman should be the aggressor. I don't like the early 30's vs. young age difference because it's not striking enough to me to be a real turn on. I also think it's crazy to say that their aren't perfomers out there who are in their 40's that are hot. That's crazy. Give us at least one scene with a milf around 38--46 years old with an 18 to young 20's girl. I promise this website won't instantaneously go up in smoke. On the other hand you could start a second website that caters to this and then I could sign up at both if give you double the money. Still this is the most awesome site in the universe so I aint complaining.
I believe cmpatt1 hit on a very important idea for you. This could be a trerrific opportunity to double your revenue. And it would be a very easy step to determine the popularity of the idea. Offer one very good true older/younger scene to your members here. Then sit back and read the feedback. Wait a couple of months and offer another. Read the feedback again. After these two older/younger scenes (and I mean a true older/younger with a 40+ woman, not someone in their 30's) I'm willing to bet the feedback will be so strong that you'll either offer more on a regular basis or open a totally separate "sister" web site for it. If not, if the feedack discourages you from going further, then just drop it. You tried.
But there are some incredibly erotic and sexy +40 women currently in girl/girl video market. GFF and SV both have a good third of their business involving them. There's a ready-made market for you, money to be made and customers to be made happy. The only thing holding you back is fear of change. That's normal. But you've made bold steps in not only launching this site, but in significantly improving it over an incredibly short period of time. Hands down, this web site is a leader in the girl/girl business, along with GFF and SV. Being in the top three of a dedicated adult entertainment genre is an incredible accomplishment. Now it's time to take the next step up. And you can do it very conservatively and very easily.
Your first, very simple step....start a discussion thread on this specific subject: "If we offered older/younger scenes and/or a separate web site, what would you like to see?" Then sit back and read for a month. Incorporate the ideas into your first older/younger scene. The post I'm suggesting would be more indepth and directed at a goal rather than this particular thread. You can even merge this with your thread. But it couldn't be simpler. Just one step. I, and I'm sure others here, challenge you to take that first step.
In my opinion, the problem is that so many of the great MILF performers have breast implants.
Darryl Hanah is 38. India Summer is 35. Violet Addamson (Milfhouse) is 35. She had a scorching scene with Allie Haze in Girlfriends Films Mother-Daughter Exchange Club #9.
All have natural breasts and qualify (sorta) as a 'MILF.'
I'm curious what you guys think of suspending the 'all natural boobs' rule if it's for an older/younger scene?
So many MILFS have boob jobs. Previously mentioned in this thread are Francesca Le and Raylene. Both have boob jobs, but from the scenes I've seen with them, they are great kissers, especially Francesca Le. I'm not a big fan of Veronica Avluv's boob job, but she only does girl/girl.
Boob jobs are not an issue for me, I don't care whether they're real or "enhanced". But you make a good point in that many MILFs have the enhancements so any rule that's in place would need to be waved for this niche. I hadn't seen any mention by KMG of such a rule, have I missed something in writing here somehwere?
Those in their 30s would be "young MILFs", but those in their 40s or 50s are the REAL MILFs. At least to my taste. I refer to another post of mine referring to Cindy who's made a number of GFF scenes. She's the yardstick for the type of MILF girl/girl kisser that I'd like to see. Cindy and Bobbi would be an amazing scene!
I have nothing against fake boobs either, and would like to see a few girls that i think are great kissers here, but unfortunalty they have fake boobs so it will never happen :(
Kaylynn would is one of thoose girls i would like to see here that fits in the young milf cathegory, and she has a tounge that is amazing.
But i respect KMG's opinion to only work with natural girls, and think they have done fantastic so far.
Daryl Hanah, India are pretty hot and I don't mind seeing them. Like Sauron81, I would prefer Kaylynn. But....I certainly do not want to see Deauxma , Magdalen, or Nina Hartley. They may be pretty good looking for their age...and I am sure that they are very sweet women, but they are NOT good kissers, IMO.
I understand why you wouldn't want Magdalene or Nina, my friend, given they can't match these girls for kissing. But I have seen Deauxma when she's been "on" and she can be a very strong kisser. She's everything many here don't like, I understand. Surgical enhancements, age, can be boring when she's not inspired. But get her inspired, and she can be very strong. I also understand she'd have to really step up her kissing for the entire end-to-end scene. Can she do it? I bet she can, given the opportunity. Guess there's something about her that I love.
But then at the younger end of the spectrum, there are kissing failures like Princezz and Faith (I just don't understand why they get so much scene time from GFF, they are like statues more often than not).
-- Edited by MorSizzler on Monday 23rd of August 2010 11:28:20 PM
Well, I definately agree with you there, Morsizzler. Many of the young ones are absolutely terrible kissers...and GFF certainly doesn't help things much. Would you believe that when you and I first started communicating on forums and e-mails (7-8 years ago), i had actually e-mailed deauxma for a quote on a custom video ? She had a decent price, too, but I hesitated and finally saw her in action in some movie. (don't recall the title) She wasn't actually that bad but her kissing wasn't good enough for a custom video. She is a VERY nice person...but she just doesn't do it for me, unfortunately.
Daryl Hanah, India are pretty hot and I don't mind seeing them. Like Sauron81, I would prefer Kaylynn. But....I certainly do not want to see Deauxma , Magdalen, or Nina Hartley. They may be pretty good looking for their age...and I am sure that they are very sweet women, but they are NOT good kissers, IMO.
I'm with you there on Deauxma (especially her boob job, just completely turns me off) Magdalene and Nina Hartley. Never liked Nina for some reason.
One thing Girlfriends Films is missing from their scenes is deep intense kissing like what is featured on this site. They employ smoking hot women, but the kissing leaves a lot to be desired.
I understand why you wouldn't want Magdalene or Nina, my friend, given they can't match these girls for kissing. But I have seen Deauxma when she's been "on" and she can be a very strong kisser. She's everything many here don't like, I understand. Surgical enhancements, age, can be boring when she's not inspired. But get her inspired, and she can be very strong. I also understand she'd have to really step up her kissing for the entire end-to-end scene. Can she do it? I bet she can, given the opportunity. Guess there's something about her that I love.
But then at the younger end of the spectrum, there are kissing failures like Princezz and Faith (I just don't understand why they get so much scene time from GFF, they are like statues more often than not).
-- Edited by MorSizzler on Monday 23rd of August 2010 11:28:20 PM
MorSizzler, Well I'll be...finally someone with the balls to say it!!! I refer of course mostly to your Princezz, Faith kissing statues comment. I like both women a lot, for they are both adorable, sexy and cute as can be.
But I always wondered what everyone saw in these two ....when it came to their kissing scenes. I'm not sure what it is myself, but there's just no fire there.
Wow... and to think, all of this time I thought that the problem was me!
Spitty--I'm amazed I never knew about your earlier interest in Deauxma!! She's about as far from what I know to be your "female image type" as I can think! Email me off line when you get a chance and let me know the details of what happened. I'd love her to do a custom for me, but I bet given how her brand has grown she'll probable be priced out of the reasonable market.
asiankiss1--Yep, I've always been amazed at how much screen time GFF gives Faith and Princezz, they're building almost a cottage industry around them. And they are stone faces. One of the most amazing scenes with Faith, don't know if you recall, was a scene she did with her supposed "live-in girlfriend". It started with an interview with Faith and her real life girlfriend (don't recall her name) about how they met, how much they loved each other, are living with each other, even talked about marriage some day. And once that was done, they proceeded on to a scene that reflected none of that special relationship and passion. You would have thought Faith would have removed all inhibitions with her "real life girlfriend", but none of it was there. It was just Faith posing as she normally does, and the tongue-clicking, closed-mouth kissing that she normally does. Princezz and Faith are two very sexy young girls. But they have absolutely NO passion and kissing ability. And Princezz is one of the worst stone-faced girls--no change of expression, no eroticism. But they're each in almost every other scene at GFF. I'm with you on this subject all the way....the problem is definitely not you, it's those who don't get the two cute girls to start showing some emotion and passion. If they can. It's funny, I always thought one of Viv Thomas' favorite girls, Jo, had an inability to create any facial expressions whatsoever. Especially in her earlier films. She still rarely changes facial expressions. But she has developed into an interesting girl/girl actress--very little change of facial expression, but somehow communicates passion and is an excellent kisser. There are some scenes that really fall flat with her, but she has developed some very erotic ability even with an inability to change her facial expression other than smiling.
As for the comment on Nina Hartley, my pet peave with Nina is that she seems to treat every scene as if it's a teaching clinic in how to pleasure a woman. She often provides instruction to the other girl in a very clinical way. You can almost create a drinking game from every clinical instruction Nina will give her female partner in a scene. And she also tends to laugh alot. Now there's nothing wrong with the girls enjoying themselves, I hope they do every time. But a girl laughing to me is like cold water. Giggling and out-loud laughing detracts from the intimate passion between the women. If Nina could just turn the instruction into empassioned pleading and eliminate the laughing, that would help immensely. But because she's been around so long and seen as a queen in the adult entertainment industry I would think some directors may be intmidated by giving her those suggestions or proactively directing her. Just my assumption, I may be wrong. Magdalena has her moments of great kissing, but she tries to be too subtle with her kissing style. She needs to step up the passion and eroticism. She's had some great scenes. She actually did one rarity with Deauxma that was very good. But she gets too low-key and subtle in her passion and could be much better. Just my two cents. Or three or four.
But my yardstick for MILF girl/girl passion is definitely Cindy. You can tell how much she loves being with another woman. And there are some young stone-faces she's been paired with and you can actually see her bringing out the most passion from them. She never gives up, and stokes the fires with her partner in every scene. Just a terrific MILF girl/girl actress who enjoys what she does. Her kissing style, caressing, sexual style...all just terrific. There are times when a girl who's a great kisser, like Bobbi, is paired in non-KMG scenes with a girl who's not, and they eventually stop trying to draw them out of their shell. But Cindy never stops when she has that kind of a partner. She just keeps on going. And when she's paired with another woman who enjoys kissing and girl/girl eroticism? Burns the paint off the walls. Sorry for returning to my favorite in Cindy, but guess this is the thread where I can do that.
It would be great to see kaylynn would be an excellent idea. I hope she can kiss as well as some of the best of kmg girls and use that long tongue so that we can see it properly during some of the make out. If so it would be fantastic and a possible stand out scene. Make it happen kmg
