Building Up... Cut... Edited Out? Why?

jerrydan · Member

Building Up... Cut... Edited Out? Why?

WD36 · Senior Member

i've noticed the same thing but with tribbing/grinding. when the girls start getting into it, there's a cut-away.

do the girls get rug burn or something?

mgf · Guru

jerrydan well done for taking the time out to notice and record these observations. There are very few of us who display this type of passion to improving the quality of this erotica. The best thing about this type of constructinve detailed feedback is that it assists the producers how to improve the product. I have lost count of how many suggestions I have made that have actually made its way onto girlgirl erotica, but I do have an expanding resume to show for it smile

It does seem that the team at kissmegirl are trying to stick to a time frame of under 45 minutes for some reason possibly relating to webhosting costs or something, which if is the case is real shame. cry

espically when or if it compromisers quality.

-- Edited by mgf on Monday 21st of December 2009 08:44:19 AM

dasman · Senior Member

Hey mgf,
are you the biggest girl/girl kissing troll on the internet?. Seriously I see you in every forum, youtube comments section when its about gg kissing.
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mgf · Guru

dasman wrote:

Hey mgf,
are you the biggest girl/girl kissing troll on the internet?. Seriously I see you in every forum, youtube comments section when its about gg kissing.
D

Hey there Dashman. I rarely make comments on u tube however Mike Quasar wanted some one to provide feedback about his preview as no one did. I just lounge around other studio's forums and LLV and provide constructive feedback one way or another. You could say I'm one of the longest surviving online fans. Liked by many disliked by some.

Cant make every one happy all the time.

-- Edited by mgf on Wednesday 23rd of December 2009 01:22:00 AM

KissMe Girl · Guru

Hey Guys, This is a topic I could type about for hours. Shooting and editing scenes is somewhat of an adventure each time. I admit, there have been times when I have kicked myself for cutting away from a certain action. Most of the time when we cut or change camera angles it's due to something happening that requires a cut or change of angle.
First, we never stop the girls, they find they're own way for the most part, we never have them stop in order to have them repeat an action, so if we notice something hot happening that's not in the current shot, we have to shoot then or loose it.
Many, many things happen on set that require a change of camera angle in order be able to remove the problem in post. Sometimes the girls sneeze or cough, we've had girls stumble and loose balance, we've had girls get an earring stuck in the other girls hair, sometimes the girls hit the camera with their hand, many times there are noises on set that occur and need to be cut out, sometimes the camera person just makes a mistake. It's harder than you probably think to hold a shot for a very long time.
Anyway, that's avery short list of things that cause us to cut, I can promise you we're not trying to shoot a Hollywood movie with perfect cuts, but we do want to try and show all things happening in the scene and sometimes that requires changing angles. For example, it's nice to see the girls bodies in a wide shot, the only way to do that is to move the camera backwards which create a cut unless you want to see the cameraman walking backwards.
Hope this helps, we will try to hold those shots longer for you.

jerrydan · Member

Thanks for all replies.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I understand every serious audiovisual production has many issues to deal with, no matter what genre.

I guess the keyword in this whole matter is 'antecipation'. The minute we notice a new video is available, we start antecipating. It goes on until we actually see what we want to see. I've read some threads where people complain this or that scene is not hot enough. I bet it's just that the dream never found a match. It can happen.

Now, this is gonna sound a little John Lennon:
- Imagine you see the new video is starred by your favourite girls;
- Imagine your subscription is still active;
- Imagine your download speed is lightnin' fast;
- Imagine you open the video;
- Imagine the girls are going for that marvellous moment of your dreams;
- Cut;

As I once read on Youtube, You've got yourself some "Blue Balls"... LoL

Anyway, moving on...

The only obstacle mentioned by 'KissMe Girl' that I can provide a 100% workaround is the 'unwanted noises on the set' one. These days, it's not hard to do some audio editing like copy/paste/crossfade seamlessly. But then again, the events in the scene must be worth the trouble.

I have another suggestion, and this one goes way beyond my KMG production knowledge. It would be having another camera(same model, lenses, resolution, etc.), but fixed, shaping something like a 120-135 degrees angle. Well, there shouldn't be many lighting issues, I suppose... wait a minute... I'm the one going"hollywood style"... just kidding.

Thanks again for the feedback,

Jerry

WD36 · Senior Member

im not trying to put the editing team down or act like i know anything about editing(because i do not) but i have watched scenes from other kissing sites such as girlkiss and MFXkissing or even general lesbian sex sites like sapphicE and abbywinters that dont have anywhere near as many cut-aways as scenes here and i dont recall ever watching any of those scenes and thinking "there's a lot of stuff here they should've edited out". some KMG scenes have as many as 20 cut-aways(i did a count on the avy/taylor scene. nearly 70 cut-aways!!!)

you may indeed have very good reason for all these edits. im just saying, compared to scenes from other similar sites, thats A LOT. im not anti-editing. if there's a legitimate reason for something to be cut than you should do it, but you guys must be having a lot of bad luck.

-- Edited by WD36 on Wednesday 23rd of December 2009 05:44:28 AM

-- Edited by WD36 on Wednesday 23rd of December 2009 06:22:20 AM

fivofox · Senior Member

actuly ,, the april and samantha scene had a lot of cuts ,, the cuts killed it , and also there were a lot of moments when the girls started to kiss passionatly but then u move the camera down and shoot there legs or there asses , u kill the moment when u do that ,
or sometimes when they start the tongue kiss , u start to zoom out , why ? , the tongue kiss will be pointless if u will zoom out , u dont have to do a perfect scene , just be cool
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topsb · Veteran Member

I think that what KMG produces is the best I have ever seen. Whether it is the quantity, or attractiveness of models, or type of action featured - it works for me. If there was one thing I would like to see more of is full body shots.

I can hear the groaning already. I mean, I don't want to compromise the great close ups but can't you use two cameras. One for close up and one for full shots. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility. Is it?

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mgf · Guru

The two camera shot is the ideal solution to the problem. i guess it will depend on costs and extra time to edit the clips. Only kMG can tell if sales are increasing of their products to justicy the extra expense.

fivofox · Senior Member

we didnt say that kmg scenes are not the best ,, we just giving them some advices for the future ,, besides , the sweetheart videos director is the worst director ever ,
they always zoom out , and shoot the wrong areas , for examble ; if two girls were kissing , why in the earth u will shoot there buts , whats the point ??

i dont want kmg to become like sweetheart videos director , becoz im telling u its crap ,
and i hope u do scenes with more deep kissing like the bobbi and andy scene , its the best

WD36 · Senior Member

yeah sweetheart does do that crap. like when the chics are tribbing the camera will keep switching to a closeup shot of their butts or their vaginas. tribgirls does that crap ad nauseam .

mgf · Guru

the sweetheart videos director is the worst director ever ,
they always zoom out , and shoot the wrong areas , for examble ; if two girls were kissing

See it from this POV
When two girls are kissing there bodies that are up tight against each other, it looks amazing.

Let the following pics bellow demonstrate this

You might want to consider what if the director shot 2 minutes of kissing then while they were kissing the 2nd camera shoots some arse grabbing as extra footage and this was thrown into the editing in post, without missing any action?

-- Edited by mgf on Friday 25th of December 2009 08:43:24 AM

WD36 · Senior Member

while watching the samantha/karlie scene again one thing i noticed throughout the video was there was a lot of editing when it came to going from closeup shot to wide.

why is the camera not able to move forward and backward without having to edit footage? camera work on every other site is able to do this without edits, without the use of a second camera, while having no effect on the footage in any way. why not here?

dasman · Senior Member

WD36 wrote:

why is the camera not able to move forward and backward without having to edit footage? camera work on every other site is able to do this without edits, without the use of a second camera, while having no effect on the footage in any way. why not here?

Maybe because the girls cant keep going at it continuously. Seriously they are porn stars not some teenage schoolgirls who are making out for the first time, kissing is much more intimate than other acts. So please give them some breathing space.

jerrydan · Member

Dasman, I agree it's possible, but I believe that's not the reason.

I think it has to do with style most of the time. KMG likes to keep the camera movements gentle. None of the KMG videos show the changes of depth axis, not even lenses' zoom, there's always a cut or a dissolve transition.

I still vote for the second camera, but I must say the two most recent videos(Andy/Brynn, Alexis/Sammy) had a better dynamics approach, not so many cuts.

WD36, Karlie is one of my favourite girls, and I agree with you 100% about the editing of that particular video.

Thank again for all replies!

WD36 · Senior Member

dasman wrote:

WD36 wrote:

why is the camera not able to move forward and backward without having to edit footage? camera work on every other site is able to do this without edits, without the use of a second camera, while having no effect on the footage in any way. why not here?

Maybe because the girls cant keep going at it continuously. Seriously they are porn stars not some teenage schoolgirls who are making out for the first time, kissing is much more intimate than other acts. So please give them some breathing space.

you didnt even read the post you quoted as your answer has nothing to do with my question.